A Conversation on Simplifying Nutrition Plans and Common Coaching (and Client) Mistakes

Paul Salter: Hey, 5% Way Podcast Listeners. Welcome back to another episode with your hosts and sustainable weight loss specialists, myself, Paul Salter, and Micheala Barsotti. We are incredibly excited to get big picture, as well as a nitty-gritty in today’s episode, taking the time to provide you with a high level overview of how we have spent the last couple of years, and me in particular, the last decade, building individualized nutrition blueprints for our 5% members and clients that ultimately has served as the foundation of the transformational experience they desire. I can tell you, in today’s episode, we’re going to spend a lot of time in the early portion talking about key mistakes that both you, yes, you, the listener, as well as some of the coaches, apps, and templates, you may have outsourced your nutrition to have made in the past that ultimately has served as a recipe for short-term success and long-term failure and frustration, before ultimately detailing some of the nuance differences in our approach that may on the surface look slightly similar or familiar to an if it fits your macros approach. But as you will learn by the end of this episode, it’s far simpler, far more efficient, far more effective. It ultimately helps you to enjoy food freedom while reaping and achieving the results you desire. But before we do that, let’s go ahead and bring Micheala in. Micheala, how are you today? Micheala Barsotti: I’m great. I’m really excited because we’ve been recording some podcasts with some of our 5% members. I’m so excited to have them come on and have our listeners be able to hear their stories and how inspiring it is just to know that they’re just like… They go through the same struggles. They are moms that wear so many different hats and have been through doing all the fad diets and things in the past, but to where they are today is just so cool. And to hear them speak is just… It’s really inspiring. I’m excited for that to come out soon. Paul Salter: Those episodes will be coming out in the next couple of weeks. I believe in this month of June, we’ll have two and we’ve already got a couple scheduled for July as well. I will say that the last one we just recorded with Kelly, the words like mic drop were literally used after some of the things she said. You’re definitely going to enjoy those episodes and want to be on the lookout for when they release. I believe the first one comes out next week, and then the one to follow is a couple of weeks later. 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That includes lifetime access to all of the online content, curriculum, resources, cheat sheet, as well as membership in the 5% private community, which gives you access to our weekly coaching calls, our one-on-one coaching calls, and so much more. I will drop the link for you to learn more, and then ultimately take that next step. You have nothing to lose, nothing to fear, to schedule a call with us to learn more on what it takes and what is expected of you to get started on having that transformational experience you desire to feel, look, and be your best. Oh, I’m excited for you. I think you’re going to do it this time. I’m really excited to have that conversation with you, but let’s keep our focus on this conversation today. The first area that I really want to discuss, and I’m really excited to hear Micheala’s take on this after I give a little intro, is common coaching mistakes. I’ve spent almost a decade in this industry working one-on-one with more than 1,500 people. Simultaneously, I too have hired a couple nutrition coaches in my career. I’ve hired someone to help me prepare for a body building show, someone to help me with a powerlifting meet and a few others in between just to learn and extract as much information from them as possible and, ultimately, was able to glean a lot of positives. But I want to share with you some of the mistakes I have not only observed from my own personal experience being in the client side of the coaching client relationship, but also what I’ve heard from so many of you in past conversations. Coaching mistake number one, and this is specifically related to formulating a foundational nutrition plan that allows you to begin eating the right foods, the right portions, et cetera, to fuel your very best, and that first mistake is the ego of the coach. Every one of us is blessed or maybe cursed, depending how you look on it, with this wonderful thing or concept known as our ego. In the coaching industry, we each have our own unique experience, educations, mistakes, learning lessons that makes us different. Some of us shout louder on social media. Some of us are much more quieter and let the client results speak for themselves. Some of us are somewhere in between. But one of the downfalls that ultimately gets in the way of a client having success and you, the listener, in this example being the client, is the ego of the coach getting in the way. The way that that typically manifests is a coach being incredibly rigid in his or her recommendations, frameworks, feedback, et cetera. It ultimately creates an opportunity where you, the client, experience frustration. You experience failure, disappointment, like you’re not meeting expectations. You’re coming up short. And that only fuels this frustration cycle that ultimately leads to you throwing in the towel. Micheala, I’m curious, have you ever had a relationship with a coach in any capacity like that? Micheala Barsotti: Yeah, definitely. I think that this is so common, and I can relate to it being that coach at one point. I hate to say it, but it’s like you believe so strongly that this is the way and there’s just no other way. When in reality, that’s not the truth. There are so many ways you can do it. And part of being a good coach is being flexible enough to match the individual you’re working with. But I think we all make that mistake early on. Paul Salter: Yeah, guilty as well. I remember specifically when I hired someone to help me with my training for a powerlifting meet, I just kept asking why, why, why, why, why, which as a listener right now, please always ask a coach in any capacity like why. He or she should be excited that you’re asking why. Because the more you grasp the fundamental why, the more likely it is you are to adhere and have that transformational success that you hired the coach for in the first place. But this person just kept kind of recommending these out of nowhere exercises. It didn’t seem to be in alignment with the goal of peaking for a powerlifting meet, and ultimately did lead me down a path of frustration when I continued to remain steadfast in my commitment to following blindly, despite asking why, and the results, as you know, I got months and months into this prep, kind of spoke for themselves. And that was that there weren’t that many results to write home about and nothing very excited because my coach was not flexible. And that proved to be a wonderful learning lesson for me, but a very disappointing experience and opportunity. Building off of the mistake of letting the ego get in the way, what often happens is common mistake number two is the coach does not meet the client, again, you, the listener, where you are at in your journey. What I often see is somebody who has a career nine to five in a completely unrelated field to nutrition, health, fitness, wellness, and they express this desire to make some changes to their nutrition. The only nutrition information they have is what Google or their coworkers shared with them. You are trying to just shove macronutrient goals down their throat, having them married to my fitness towel overnight. It creates another opportunity for extreme overwhelm, frustration, and disappointment. That is one of the biggest mistakes I have personally observed and then learned the importance of from the coaching realm was like, you have to meet your client where she is at. I’ll use a wonderful example. Micheala’s mom is a rock star in one of our 5% fundamentals programs, is down a significant amount of weight, kicking ass and truly stepped into just this leader role model position in our community. But she came to us with minimal nutrition knowledge. She had an expertise in so many unrelated areas of her life, but nutrition just simply wasn’t on this list. We couldn’t just throw her into the deep end, so to speak, and say, “Hey, this is how you follow a blueprint. These are portions,” et cetera. Rather than doing that, Micheala took the lead on prioritizing one small action step. Let’s get a win here, and then let’s stack that win to another win. And now fast forward almost two rounds through the fundamentals program, not only is she down a significant amount of weight, but now she’s eating three times per day consistently. She’s in charge of, has an intimate relationship with strong nutrient dense food choices, portion control, et cetera. She’s feeling better every single week. Micheala Barsotti: I think too this is one is really common when the coach doesn’t have a lot of… You wonder where their education comes from, because early on when you’ve coached, you may not have a ton of education. You only know the way that’s worked for you, and that’s the way that you coach. I see that a lot. So then they don’t know how to adapt to the client that they’re working with because they only… They’re preaching the way that has worked for them. Paul Salter: That’s a great point. Because I know even in my coaching experience, when I had my whole body building journey, I got intimately familiar inside and out with MyFitnessPal, if it fits your macros, tracking macros. There’s a lot of benefit in them. We’ll talk a little bit more about that later, but it ultimately just proved to be a launching pad for me to want to discover a simpler, more efficient, more effective way. Because yes, I had some success with it, but it was also an incredibly frustrating experience on so many levels, which ultimately led to us creating a more simplified, effective approach. Micheala, I’m curious, as we prepped for this call, you wrote down quite a few other ones that you saw to be just common mistakes. Go ahead and share them with us and the listeners. Micheala Barsotti: One of them being making it so much harder than it has to be. I always wanted to give all my clients all the information right away, like information overload right off the bat. Knowing what I know now and having more experience under my belt, I know that less is more, and that they don’t always need to know as much as we do, or it’s a gradual process, if you will. That was a big one for me was like just dumping everything on them, which just creates overwhelming anxiety. And then when we get in that state, we don’t really do anything at all, right? We need to make it baby steps, baby steps. And then the other one is giving them what they want and not focusing enough on what they need in fear that they might fire me. Perfect example, somebody comes to you for weight loss. They want to lose weight. They don’t want you to tell them like, “Okay, we’ll focus on that, but not yet,” which is what we do now in our program, right? People come in with that goal, absolutely, but we spend a whole four, six, eight weeks not focused on dieting. One of my mistakes early on is I would start them on a diet right away because that’s what they wanted. You’ll live and learn as a coach. But now what I do try to… I think together, we find that blend of giving them what they want, but also prioritizing what they need. Paul Salter: Well said. I just made a note. We should do an episode on just all the coaching mistakes we’ve made in the past. That would be a fun one to share. We will do that down the road. But going back to your former point too is giving people too much too soon. I am incredibly guilty of this. I mean, you know it from our behind the scenes coaching relationship, but also then with our 5% community in particular. When we first started, up until a week before, back in February of 2021, we were going to have three live coaching halls a week. I thought it was the greatest fucking thing in the world, only to eventually be convinced by you that maybe we should cut it back a little bit. We started with two. We’ve rode that out for maybe five months, and eventually made the change down to one. The feedback was like, “Oh, thank God. I’m not overwhelmed anymore. One is doable. I don’t fall behind in the replays.” That’s something I will continue to learn for many, many decades to come. But ultimately, you’re absolutely right. It kind of circles, or connects rather, everything together that we’ve shared thus far, and that meeting the person where he or she at is incredibly important. As much as the coach, we want to share. We got into coaching to help, support, share all that we know. We want to give them the shortcut and the fast track to all of the success that we’ve experienced. But if we give too much too soon, it does prove to be counterproductive, overwhelming, frustrating, and ultimately, lead to no action being taken whatsoever. Micheala Barsotti: Especially too because I think so many people fear that if they start to prioritize their health or their fitness and start making these changes, it has to become their whole life. You wear so many other hats in life. You have other priorities and focuses. A good coach will help you make it a part of your life without you feeling like it has to be your entire life. Paul Salter: Yeah, absolutely. The last two mistakes kind of go hand in hand, and they’re a mistake made by the coach, but as well as us, the client, you, the listener, et cetera. They’re related to two things. One is the coach that you have outsourced your nutrition to. Again, their ego getting in the way and thinking there is this magical blend or special nutrient timing. That is why you’re going to lose 10 more pounds of fat going with that coach versus coach A, B, or C. That is a mistake in and of itself where we could dive into a whole nother episode. But the truth of the matter is, whether you eat 90% of your calories at 6:00 AM or 6:00 PM, it really does not matter when it comes to ultimately helping you lose weight so long as you are, in fact, in a calorie deficit. What matters most, as we’re going to get into here in a moment, is adherence. But the mistake from a client perspective intertwined in that example is you continuing to outsource your nutrition information without doing some of the work. What I mean by that is we all have at least a fundamental level of nutrition knowledge that is good enough to help us make some fantastic lasting changes. We know what healthier foods are. We know what appropriate moderate portion sizes are. We know what eating like an asshole looks like. With that knowledge, we can actually get really far. When it comes to bringing a coach into the equation, you need to be really clear on why you’re bringing him or her in. Is it further education? Is it accountability? Is it support? What is the exact reason? If you expect to hire a coach and to receive a nutrition plan, macros, et cetera, and just not do the work, well, you’re not going to get the results you desire because you didn’t do the work absolutely needed. That’s something that I have found particularly interesting in the last three to four years as my coaching really grew for a while and then began to taper off, as I stepped further and further away from it was that one of the biggest difference makers between my experience to coach with the client and why we had success versus why that individual didn’t have success with past coaches, and this is something that we make a priority in all of our 5% members approaches today, is we empower our 5% community members with ownership and a role in building their foundational nutrition blueprint. And ultimately, what this means is from day zero, as they begin to complete the nutrition plan questionnaire, they are taking a sense of ownership of their outcome and their results because they’re the one helping actually create the nutrition blueprint. They are the one. You, the listener, would be the one determining how many times per day do you want to eat. Do you want to eat breakfast ASAP, or do you want to wait a few hours? Do you want to eat family dinner at 5:30, or do you want to eat a meal at 4:00 and then eat something again at 7:30 or 8:00 on your own? When you ultimately take an approach in which you are as involved as possible in the creation process, you’re empowered. And that sense of empowerment and ownership is exciting and exponentially increases the likelihood of your commitment, your adherence, and actually achieving the transformational results you desire. Now, when it comes to building out that nutrition blueprint that we always are alluding to and discussing quite frequently here on the show, as I’ve mentioned many, many times before, there are three key ingredients that truly take our approach to building a plan in which you can actually follow it with ease without feeling like you’re dieting to a whole nother level. First and foremost, like I mentioned, having a role in the creation process is incredibly beneficial. But what’s most important after that is designing and structuring in a way such that the number one priority is adherence. It’s not this special ratio of protein, carbs, and fats. It’s not this special calorie distribution between protein, carbs, and fats. It’s not this magical nutrient timing some fat loss burning sensational supplement, or any of the above. What adherence boils down to is, is this plan unique to you? Is it individualized? Is this plan simple to follow? And is this plan flexible? And what better person to get her take on this than Micheala, who is someone who went through this learning process from the client role, and now is going through the teaching process from the coaching role. Micheala, I’m curious to hear about the simplified flexible approach that we’ve used and what your experience was like adapting to it. Micheala Barsotti: The first thing that comes to mind for me is learning how much you can actually eat and just being shocked by that. And even members that come in now are like, “What? All this food?” Because we’re so conditioned to believe that we should be eating as little as possible. And especially if we have body composition goals, we think we need to be decreasing calories immediately. What we find is that when we’re eating a moderate amount of calories more frequently, you’re doing that consistently, it’s going to be a lot easier to adhere to the plan overall. You find that consistency becomes a lot easier, and then you’re starting to see results because day after day, week after week, you’re consistent with your plan. Rather than what I was doing before where it’d be like three or four days of complete restriction, only to one full day of binging, and then right back at it. That was a big one for me. And then I would say too, our method is so easily adaptable that it’s just become this like blueprint in my brain where I don’t even have to think about it. I can take it with me to any social occasion. I just feel confident no matter where I’m at, whether I’m out to dinner at a social occasion or just at my dinner table. I think that one’s huge because in the past things that I’ve tried, that was the hiccup was like anytime I went outside of me creating my meal, that’s when I had a problem. I’m like, I don’t know what to do. I think we really do a great job of empowering our members to know how to handle those situations when they are out and about. And then the last one is stop looking at what everyone else is doing. I did this for so long, but just trusting the plan that was built for you. When you know that this plan is individually built for you, it’s so much easier to trust it, because you just kind of have to put your blinders on and focus on executing the plan that was built for you. Because there is so much out there and there’s so many different ways that you can see results, but there’s only really one way that’s going to work for you. And that’s the power of investing in yourself is you learn what that one way is for you and then you can be bought in and trusted. Paul Salter: How many times for those of you listening have you ever attempted to purchase a meal plan, macro numbers, et cetera, for maybe you and your significant other? Maybe you vary in age height, weight, dieting experience, yet the portion goals that you’re assigned to or that are generated from whatever you purchased are eerily similar. I’ve heard that story many times. I still remember when I was in college, really getting into body building, me and a buddy of mine, we’re just playing around with macronutrient calculators and whatnot. This guy had a solid 50 pounds on me. We both put in our information and our goals. The only difference was like 10 grams in carbohydrates per day. I was like, this doesn’t really feel unique to me whatsoever. Micheala Barsotti: That’s funny. I also think about too, on the flip side, it’s like the weight loss industry uses male and female as a marketing tactic. So easily it’s like, well, this is the male plan version, and it’s like it doesn’t matter if you’re male or female. I mean, there are some factors, but the reality is it’s like the weight. Usually, there’s the weight discrepancy. But yeah, that’s just another one too. It’s like totally different plans, depending on if you’re a male or female. Paul Salter: That’s a great point. And yeah, you’re absolutely right. At the end of the day, it all comes down to the same basic principles repeated over and over again, which is incredibly boring. But whether you’re a man or a woman, the principles that are really basic work when executed consistently. I’m so glad you brought that up. Let’s go one step deeper now and actually start talking a bit more about the nitty gritty of our method and approach. For those of you listening who at least had one foot stepped into the diet or weight loss industry for a little while now, you’re likely familiar with what is known as an if it fits your macros approach. What this is for those of you who are unfamiliar or just vaguely familiar is macro is short for the word macronutrients. Macro meaning large, so simply this translates to large nutrients. Well, the large nutrients are going to be your protein, your carbohydrates, and your fat. Compared conversely to your micro or smaller nutrients, such as your vitamins and minerals. Whether it’s protein and carbs or fat, each provides a specific number of calories per gram. Protein and carbohydrates both provide four calories per gram, whereas fat provides nine calories per gram. The whole concept of an if it fits your macros approach is that instead of tracking just a calorie goal per day, you’re tracking X number of grams of protein, carbs, and fats, which offers a handful of different benefits related to energy management, appetite and craving management, exercise, performance, recovery, et cetera. You have these gold numbers for each of those three respected nutrients, and you can just simply plug in any food you desire. It really kind of overdoes the emphasis on flexibility to meet your needs. So long as by the end of the day, you’re relatively close to your individual nutrient goals, you are in a great position and should either gain, maintain, or lose weight so long as they are set appropriately for that goal. When it comes to executing an if it fits your macros approach, what this asks of you, or rather it necessitates, is for every single food that you eat, you need to track the protein, the carbohydrates, and the fat. You need to do this for every food you eat at every single meal, at every single meal you eat throughout the day. If we take the stereotypical five times per day approach to eating and we say just as an arbitrary example, your first meal of the day is an egg and egg white omelet, a mixture there with some spinach, some cheese, and some peppers, and then you have some oatmeal, some fruit, and some peanut butter on the side. The if it fits your macros approach is literally going to entail you tracking the protein, the carbs, and the fat, the grams of all three of those for your eggs, your egg whites, your spinach, your cheese, your peppers, your oatmeal, your berries, and your peanut butters. That is eight different foods that you need to track three variables for. That’s 24 different variables at one single meal. I believe 24 times five is like 122 or something like that. That’s how many variables you need to track during a given day, which is why this approach literally necessitates you having some type of food tracking app to keep track of all of that math and the variable management throughout the day. But that in and of itself is incredibly physically, mentally, and emotionally exhausting. And more often than not, you end up at the end of the day trying to maneuver some complex calculus and macronutrient math to make whatever last meal you have fit your total daily macro goals. And that will give you a headache to say the least. I can’t tell you how many times I spent 30, 60 minutes at the end of the day trying to make my last meal work. Do I need a fourth cup less of this, an ounce more of this? To be frank, it’s fucking annoying, and it’s not the best use of your time, my time, or anybody’s time. We go a lot simpler when it comes to taking that approach. And as I mentioned, that was the introductory framework I used, Micheala, I’m sure probably you as well, when I got involved or introduced to nutrition and began learning about portion control, budgeting calories, macros, et cetera. But we don’t need to spend that much time in an app. We don’t need to be married to MyFitnessPal, and we also don’t need to have headaches or stress about doing complex math in order to meet our portion goal. The way that we work to simplify things is, first and foremost, instead of actually counting every single nutrient in every single food we eat, what we do is we focus on only counting one nutrient in the food we eat. What I mean is we only count the primary nutrients. For example, if I have oats, oatmeal, I know that that is primarily a carbohydrate. Yes, there are traced amounts of fats and carbs, but I’m only going to count the carbs in that. Same with peanut butter. Yes, there’s a decent amount of carbs, fat, and protein, but peanut butter is primarily a fat, so I’m only going to count the fat. Right there, we have slashed the number of variables we need to manage by 67%. Huge, huge win. So then what we do to take it one step further is we make a subtle, yet significant mindset shift in how we frame our relationship with both protein and vegetables. We simply make them non-negotiable every time we eat. And by making them non-negotiable, we begin to rewire our thought pattern and our action that every time we sit down to eat or stand on the go, whatever it may be, there’s a protein component and there’s a vegetable component. If our protein is the same number of ounces or grams every single time we eat, this collectively ensures that we create an opportunity in which we can eat protein and vegetables on autopilot. It’s automated. It requires very, very, very, very little brain work or mental energy. Now we have just saved and freed up extensive amounts of mental energy to focus on counting a hell of a lot fewer nutrients. If we were to eat five times per day and protein and vegetables are automatic, what this ultimately leaves us with is counting our carbohydrates and our fat every single meal. We went from a hundred and… Was it 122? I don’t even know what 24 times five is. I need to figure that out. But we went from that many variables per day, all the way down to 10 variables per day. That’s a hell of a lot more manageable and there’s limitless flexibility baked in. As long as we hit those total daily portion goals by the end of the day, we are in a fantastic position to reap strong adherence, strong consistency, and ultimately obtain significant sustainable results. Micheala Barsotti: That makes me think of too the… I got started with tracking macros first. I think I dabbled with like tracking calories or whatever, then I got into macros. I thought I liked it, and it kind of worked, but the problem with it was I was playing macro Tetris every day and I was never building out meals that I got the most bang for my buck. That was a huge thing when I actually started working with you that I still to this very day love is the fact that I know how to structure my meals to get the most out of them where I’m not looking for food two hours later. When I was tracking macros, I hit my daily totals at the end of the day, but I was never satisfied after every single time I ate. There was not as much structure. I think there’s too much flexibility. Some days I might have six meals that day, or I might have eaten six times per day. Another day I might have only eaten three or four. Things were just all shuffled around, so I never gained enough structure to get the most bang for my buck with meals. Does that make sense? Paul Salter: Absolutely, you’re right. I think it errs on the side of too much freedom and flexibility where ultimately, you heard Micheala and I say it 10 times over, structure is an integral part to your success in any aspect of life, but especially when it comes to portion control and strong consistency with nutritional blueprint adherence. I think if it fits your macros is a wonderful introductory framework, but it needs an extra layer to a structure provided to truly squeeze all of the potential benefit out of that framework and approach. Micheala Barsotti: It’s just like you get more… Certain nutrient or macros when you have them together paired, right? Let’s say you just go and have an apple. Like, yeah, that will be fine for a little bit. But if you were to pair that apple with fat or with protein, now you’re going to get a lot more at that meal or that time that you’re eating. I know that a lot of people will snack often throughout the day. That’s something we don’t really do and we don’t really encourage in our program. We focus more on meals rather than snacking, because we do teach them how to build meals that they’re going to have more satiety with. Paul Salter: Absolutely. At the end of the day too, we start with that initial framework and help to graduate the individual, if you will, to a thinking of like let’s ditch the labels even. We can just simply think about fueling ourselves every X number of hours, three, four, five, six hours, and further remove any restraints or tunnel vision about what is and what is not available, acceptable, et cetera, to eat at that time of day. Because I will eat pancakes at any time of day. I’ve even eaten broccoli at 6:00 AM. I’ll make it happen. We’re all a lot more flexible and able to do more than what we give ourselves credit for, and that’s because these diet rules have been imposed on us throughout our experience in diet culture or stepping foot in the weight loss industry. For those of you listening who want more information about how to truly build a sustainable nutrition plan so that you can, in fact, confidently eat with minimal effort and maximal results, Micheala and I put on a very in depth live training on this topic, nearly two hours of live training content and Q and A, with about a half dozen resources to help you truly leave the training knowing exactly how to build your very own sustainable nutrition plan that mimics or mirrors the exact approach that we have used for years and years to help thousands of men and women just like you truly improve their relationship with food and make the best choices as consistently as possible all without feeling that they are dieting. I’ll put the link in the show notes below if you want to check that out and get a copy of that. Micheala, any final thoughts as we wrap up this episode to share? Micheala Barsotti: I don’t know. I think that was pretty good. I think the biggest thing when it comes to figuring out nutrition is that you do have to work with somebody that’s going to make it individualized for you, because we are all so different. I could tell you what I do all day long, but that doesn’t… We have different factors in our life. We’re different humans with different preferences. It’s going to look different for us. In order for you to truly be successful, you need to have a plan that’s individualized to you, but that also does incorporate flexibility so that you can adhere to it long-term. That consistency is effortless because it’s made for you. Paul Salter: And in addition to that, you need to be willing to do the work as well. Micheala Barsotti: Definitely. Paul Salter: For most of us listening, this is a learned skill. It needs to be learned. You don’t just learn a skill in a blink of an eye or overnight. It takes time. It takes mistakes. It takes learning from those mistakes, asking for help, asking why, asking clarity. But when all of those pieces are together, you get some transformational results. If you truly want to learn everything we do and everything we have done to help women just like you really reclaim their confidence, their certainty, control and sense of inner calm related to their relationship with food, then we invite you as we thank you for being a beloved podcast listener to book a call with us to learn more about the 5% community and whether or not it is a perfect fit for you. And in doing so, alls you need to do is just simply reference podcast or the 5% Way Podcast when you are on your call and we will knock $500 off of your invitation for that transformational experience. I will include the link to go ahead and schedule that call with us in the show notes, but feel free to DM us on Instagram as well anytime to have further communication and conversation there. Well, thank you so much for listening today. We are really, really grateful that you chose to spend this time with us. 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