[INTERVIEW] Mother of Two Conquers Emotional Eating and Maintaining Weight Loss Once and For All (Without Feeling Like She’s Always Dieting)

Paul Salter:

Hey, Caelli. Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you?

Caelli Koehler:

I’m doing well, Paul. Thanks for having me today.

Paul Salter:

Of course, Micheala and I are so incredibly excited to have this conversation with you, and me personally because I’ve known you for a damn long time and it’s so cool to see everything come together now and you being just an active kick ass member in The 5% community. I would love for you to tell our listeners today, why did you join The 5% Community?

Caelli Koehler:

Well, I had worked with you for a few years and then went on to a couple other different coaches, and I just didn’t really like their vibe very much and I had moved across country so I was struggling a little bit and I saw that you were doing the 5% and I knew what you were about and knew your coaching style and I really liked it, so I reached out to learn a little bit more about what 5% is, and really liked it and decided to give it a shot.

Paul Salter:

Fantastic. I’m curious, let’s go back a couple years now. Where were you when we first, first met in your nutrition weight, health related journey?

Caelli Koehler:

I was postpartum with my final baby, baby number two. I had gained about 50 pounds postpartum or 50 pounds with the pregnancy, so I was now working, trying to lose that weight. I was done having kids and I was ready to really focus on myself again, and my husband was super supportive of it, so he was like, okay, let’s get you a coach. Let’s do this the right way because for years I’m talking, gosh, since college, I was just back and forth with yo-yo dieting and cardio machines and diet pills. You name it, I did it. I’d never had a coach before, so I was like, now that I’m done with babies, now it’s time for me to do something for me. That’s where I was when we first started.

Paul Salter:

Really, really cool. I’m curious. We had the pleasure of spending many years together and you, like many women listening, you all shared one common challenge, which was adapting to life after the dieting phase. Could you tell us a little bit more about your attitude, your beliefs, and then your experience related to navigating that post diet maintenance phase?

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah, definitely. One of the things that I feel like I really understanding more now that I’ve worked with you for so many years is that once you get into that post diet maintenance phase, you have to have a plan. You just can’t diet forever and then go back to eating like you did before, because eating like you did before is where got you in your bad spot to begin with. My post maintenance phase, I’ve been really, really diligent about staying on track, but making it more fun. I’m trying to bake more with the kids and enjoy that, trying more new recipes. Something that makes my maintenance phase living life, just enjoying it and trying to do every day to day things that other normal people do, like date nights and drinks with the girls, but trying to figure out how that all works into it on my maintenance phase and not being as restrictive, but still having a plan and having goals in my maintenance phase.

Micheala Barsotti:

I love that so much. I think that’s so important because it’s just something that normally is lacking when we transition into what is maintenance. We tend to let it all go, so we don’t really experience the maintenance phase. It goes straight from a diet to surplus. We don’t really know that in between and figuring out how to do life. What would you say [inaudible 00:04:02]. Oh, go ahead.

Caelli Koehler:

Oh, no, I was just saying, it’s just trying to find that balance, that sweet spot of that surplus, like you were saying, and staying and maintaining your weight. Yeah. It’s definitely trying to find that happy medium.

Micheala Barsotti:

What do you think it is that helps you stay the course in maintenance, because it’s challenging, right? You work, you have little kids, you do all the things. How do you do it all?

Caelli Koehler:

Oh, God. Well, I have my blueprint on my fridge so I can always reference back to it, but I am a creature of habit and I crave routine and structure. So to me, getting up at the same time every day, minus the weekends, I’ll give myself a little bit of leeway, but if I don’t get to the gym first thing in the morning, it’s a fight to get to it the rest of the day. So I really try to make my maintenance space just like a diet. I still have the same routine plan, same structure, same type of meal spacing, and I just kind of put my head down, and go and just do it, but I try to make it fun still, going out to eat or baking with the kids. I’m a big baker, so I really like to try different things with them, and just trying to find different ways to stay the course, but I still go off of it and I still have a rough week here and there, but I always try to get back to it.

Micheala Barsotti:

Love that.

Paul Salter:

I’m curious, what’s your favorite thing to bake?

Caelli Koehler:

Oh, well, my husband’s favorite thing for me to bake are chocolate chip cookies, but they’re like this thick. They’re super thick and they’re nice and round.

Paul Salter:

Oh my God.

Caelli Koehler:

I only get 18 in a batch, so that’s his favorite thing. I like cake more often, and I like decorating them, and I like decorating sugar cookies. So those are my two favorites.

Paul Salter:

Okay. Well, if you ever have extra, I know a couple people who would be interested. Actually, I’m so glad you brought your husband back up again because I would really love to hear, if we go back quite a few years now when you were starting to have those conversations with Andrew about, hey, obviously you’ve gained all this weight during pregnancy, you had a successful, healthy delivery, two wonderful, beautiful little children, and it’s like, I want to put myself first. I’m going to just reiterate that point, because so many people listening, that is the struggle. Particularly with mothers, it’s like, “I have 15 other mouths to feed, people to take care of, husbands, spouses included. When do I even have the time to take care of myself?” So I love that you had the awareness, and then took action, the most important part to put yourself first. But could you shed any light specifically for the listeners about what that conversation looked or sounded like? What was communicated to have Andrew really jump on board so easily to give you his limitless support?

Caelli Koehler:

Andrew’s been great. I couldn’t ask for a better husband, father, partner in life. He was at the point in his life too, right after we had Hannah, our daughter, that he wanted to take some action and get better with his own physical fitness and whatnot. And so we just both were kind of like, okay, well, once the baby’s born, after six weeks of healing, because I had a C-section, let’s definitely dive into it. And so I remember telling him one time, it was like six weeks, I’m like, “I don’t think I’m going to sign up for coaching anymore. It’s too expensive.” And he was just like, “No, we’re going to do this. You have been wanting to do this for so long. Let’s just bite the bullet and just do it.” And we started off doing it together. And so he and I, we did diet phases together, we did maintenance phases together, and I just can remember just being supportive.

Like, “Okay, it’s your turn to go to the gym. Go, get out of here. Don’t worry about the formula. Don’t worry about this. Just go, go.” And so coming from having a husband, it’s super supportive. That was always so easy. I could just come home and be like, “Ugh, I’ve had a rough day at work. I’m going to go to the gym.” And I would just drop my shit off on the couch and just leave, and he would just totally be fine with it. So I wouldn’t be where I am right now if I didn’t have the support from him. But he is still an enabler too sometimes, and he will be like, “Oh, well let’s just go and get some ice cream,” or “Let’s just go and eat the cookies today,” but we balance each other out pretty good, I feel like.

Paul Salter:

That’s awesome. Andrew, big shout out to you, especially because when you are getting your off track, you’re going for ice cream, one of my favorite things. But no, I think it’s just so wonderful to hear you have tremendous support from your spouse. I mean, obviously support in any aspect, hence 5% community, is simply invaluable. But when you can have it at home, it’s the extra icing on the cake, and it’s something that I have found, particularly working with so many women, married women, all it takes is one conversation, like, “Hey, this is important to me because…” And ultimately, that conversation can reach a point eventually where it’s a mutually familial beneficial decision to prioritize each individual member of that partnership. So just sharing and reiterating that for everybody listening there, whether or not, you’ve had these conversations with your significant other, all it takes is starting the conversation. And I think you’re going to find that the support is there. Sometimes it just needs to be brought up and actively discussed.

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah. And I think it also helps too, telling your spouse, like, “These are my goals. I want to accomplish X, Y, and Z, and I have to do A, B, C to get there.” And so with Andrew, when I was postpartum for those little while, I couldn’t run or anything because of the C-section, so I had to do a lot of walking just to kind of get my cardio in, but I didn’t want to push the stroller. I just wanted to be by myself. And so I’d be like, “Hey, I need to get out and go for the walk today. I have to go do my cardio. And I was able to just tell him, like, “Hey, this is what I need to do to meet my goals.” And that’s just how it worked for us.

Paul Salter:

And Micheala, real quick, I’m curious, because I mean, obviously I’ve gotten to know of David for many, many years, but he seems to be incredibly supported. Was there ever a time where you just have to be like, “Hey, here are my goals.” Did you have a similar experience? Because I know obviously you’re in the gym first thing in the morning, and fitness and your wellbeing are incredibly high priorities.

Micheala Barsotti:

Yeah. I think it’s funny because David and I are both very active individuals and we go about… Our love for working out as similar, but as far as our eating habits, very, very different. And so we kind of had to… When I first started [inaudible 00:10:53] him, I kind of fell into the habit of just like eating like him, and he’s a large human who can eat a lot of food. So I quickly realized I can’t do that. And so it more just became, again, as you said, Caelli, it’s vocalizing what your goals are, what your priorities are, and making it just, “This is a priority to me. This is super important.” And your significant others should understand that. And they likely will, but a lot of times the barrier is just simply that it wasn’t communicated of how important it is to you.

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah. And I feel like just the blanket statement of, “I want to lose weight” to a guy, he’s like, “Oh, well, all women think that.” But if you say, “Okay, Andrew, I want to go to the gym four times this week, and I want to lift weight for an hour.” He’d be like, “Okay. All right, well, this is day one she’s going, this is day two she’s going.” I think they like a specificity more than anything.

Micheala Barsotti:

Definitely.

Paul Salter:

Yeah, we like to be told what to do. I’ll sign for that.

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah.

Micheala Barsotti:

So Caelli, tell us what were some of your big breakthroughs or aha moments during your experience within the 5% community?

Caelli Koehler:

So far, I feel like it’s been really detaching from the scale, not letting that number hold me hostage. I’m not letting it ruin my day like I used to. And especially now that I’m in maintenance, I’m probably only weighing in twice a week or so. And just realizing, “Okay, this is the number. It’s okay. We’re moving on. I’m lifting a lot heavier, so it’s not fat gain. It’s just the number. It’s just data.” And especially during my last cut, when you and I were talking about weighing every day for a weekly trend, and I was more focusing on that trend number versus five numbers through the week, and I felt like that really helped me, and seeing it charted out like, “Okay, this is your trend and this is your average.” Okay, those are good numbers, but it’s not a number that’s defining my emotion for that day. So that’s been nice, getting better at that.

Micheala Barsotti:

Well, and you do such a good job too. Every Friday in the community, we share our wins, and sometimes we tap into a scale victories, but most of the time they’re non-scale victories, and it’s so fun to see everybody write out all of the different wins, but you, Caelli, have had so many amazing non-scale victories that you’ve pointed out throughout your diet, whether it be just how you’re going about handling it differently than last time, fitting more comfortably into a pair of jeans, whatever it is. So I think that helps you to detach from the scale because you have shifted your focus to other more important areas.

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah, definitely. I’m wearing different clothes. I have a pair of my patrol pants that I knew they were custom to fit for me. So I put those on every once in a while just to see how they fit. It was back when I was at my super smallest. And so I’m not there yet, but I can still button them. I wouldn’t run around in them. So I kind of gauge things about using my clothes and how my PRs are in the gym nowadays with my fitness.

Paul Salter:

Yeah. That’s incredible. And what about going one step further inside, whether it be emotionally or changes in self-talk, beliefs and mindset, where have you noticed some lasting positive changes in either one of those areas?

Caelli Koehler:

Definitely how I speak to myself. My sisters like to call me the ice queen because I kind of hold all my emotion in and I don’t get real mushy. I don’t know. Maybe it’s just from being a cop for so many years, but diving in and being like, “Okay, be nice to yourself,” that was just out of my wheelhouse, but I trusted in you, I trusted in the program. And so I’m starting now. If I wake up like grumpy or my kids wake me up or whatever, I’m always like, “Okay, reset. I’m going to have a good day. It’s going to be okay. You look fine.” I’m trying to do that more often, and I really feel like that helps. It kind of sets the tone. I’m calmer. I’m not so irritated sometimes, just speaking nicely, more kindly to myself. Because you put it out there like, would you talk to your best friend that way? Would you talk to your kids that way? And it’s like, no, I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t tell my daughter she’s fat. Why am I saying that to myself?

And I’m trying really hard, nowadays that I do have a three and six year old, not to use that. And so not using words like that to describe myself because I don’t want her to see that. And then even if she sees me on the scale, I’m using phrases like, “Oh, look how strong I am today, Hannah. This is awesome.” And so I’m making it positive almost, in a weird kind of way, I feel like, but I don’t want her to ever, or my son, to ever feel like they have body issue images because of what I am saying. So I’m trying to be nicer about that.

Paul Salter:

I love that. Everybody wins.

Micheala Barsotti:

I love that statement too. Would you talk to a friend that way? Would you talk to your sister? It just makes it so powerful, because you do stop in your tracks. It’s like, dang, I am not being nice to myself, and I would never speak to anybody else that I love like that.

Caelli Koehler:

Absolutely.

Micheala Barsotti:

Okay. I have another question for you. When it comes to the community specifically, where have you found a lot of benefit? I think that there are a lot of people that are hesitant to join a community because they might feel not inclined to share a lot of their process or they don’t realize the power of the community as a whole. So I’m just curious to hear your thoughts on what you’ve experienced and how it’s beneficial to you.

Caelli Koehler:

I think there’s a lot of aspects in the community that have been real beneficial for me. I like being able to do share your wins on Friday. I think that has been helpful because it makes you really sit back and think, yeah, I had a really good week. I may have had a couple of bumps, but the rest of it was great. The mindsets on Mondays that you put out, just stopping really quick and reading through what our mindset should be for the week, it makes you stop and think, okay, I never thought of that, so let’s try that this week. I like the accountability pods, touching base with a couple of the other gals throughout there. Even if we don’t do it on an everyday basis, but it’s just checking in. It’s like, “Hey, how’s it going? And what are you up to?” And I think everybody is a little competitive, maybe just deep down. So it’s kind of like, “Oh, Micheala did a three minute plank. Jesus Christ, I would never be able to do that.”

But it’s just seeing that kind of stuff. And I feel like a lot of us are all on the same level with being vulnerable, and no one’s mean. They’re like, “Oh, I definitely understand where you’re coming from.” And bouncing ideas off of each other, that’s always been really great too. And then just reaching out to you guys, just random questions and the fire calls, all of those type of things, I think they all add up to make you successful in the community. So if you can’t get on the fire call, but you can read about everybody’s posts throughout the week and how it’s helping them, it’s like, okay, well, I can try to apply it if I haven’t actually listened to it yet. Just, there’s a lot of different things that I feel like I really like about the community.

Micheala Barsotti:

Did you find that you were really open and eager to share immediately upon joining, or do you feel like over time that built and you got a lot more comfortable? Were you always somebody who was like, “Yeah, I’ll just share whatever”?

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah, pretty much. I feel like my story, it’s the same as any other mom or woman out there, and I’m not super shy so putting it out there was okay. I’m not huge about putting progress pictures out just because it’s the internet, but that’s a different ball game. But yeah, definitely talking and sharing and everything, yeah, that was pretty easy for me.

Micheala Barsotti:

That’s awesome. I think that just goes to show how close knit and such a safe space our community really is, because as you said, the competitive nature, but it’s not competitive in a sense that steers you away or puts you in your shell. It’s like, “Oh my gosh, that’s really motivating. I want to be better today for myself.” It motivates you on the inside to just show up as a better person. That’s just the power of surrounding yourself with like-minded people that are always trying to be better and do better.

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah. It’s the inner competitiveness. It’s not me and other people. It’s just like, “Oh, okay, well she’s a mom of two too. She can do that. Oh, I can do that. You can get there.” Yeah.

Paul Salter:

I think I’m so happy to hear you, I guess the right word is admit your competitive nature, because I feel like that’s something, as a society, we’ve begun to shy away from. There’s this whole culture of hurting other people’s feelings, but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being competitive. And you can gamify it to be competitive with yourself, or I’m competing against Micheala, but I’m only telling myself. It’s just another form or tool of motivation.

And it reminds me, I just got finished my big run last week and I’m coming in after my fifth lap, 15 miles in, and the guys at the aids station, he said, “Oh, you’re killing it. You’re winning,” or something like that. And I was like, “Yeah just me versus me, don’t really care.” And inside I’m like, “Fuck that. I want to smoke everybody out here.” I put up the polite, the [inaudible 00:20:45], but even in my mind, I was like, I should have just said, no, fuck that. I want to win the whole thing. So I’m so happy to hear you, just like, “Hey, I’m competitive,” because I think it’s an undervalued and underutilized tool to really help light the fire, keep the fire stoked as you’re going to approach a goal that is related to feeling your best, being your best. And that takes a competitive drive, because ultimately, you want to be yesterday’s version of you. And if you need to use me, Micheala’s plank time or somebody else in the community to be better than yesterday, why not use it?

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Paul Salter:

And I’m curious too, a couple of your first answers about the value of community that you shared with Micheala had a common word, and the common word you used was stop. And I’m curious, because what you shared is you stopped multiple times during a day or a week to reflect, to think. And when I first met, you were working four or five, 10 to 12 hour shifts a week, and now you’ve got two kids and you’re doing a million other different things. How do you go about making and finding time for yourself to stop, to take care of yourself, to pause, reflect, learn, whatever it may be.

Caelli Koehler:

Well, at our house, I like to do a quiet time with the kids midday. I like to call it my coffee break. It’s the time for me to kind of just sit down, have a cup of coffee, and my daughter will go down in her room and play. And so it’s during that time where I can get on to our community and read through everything and really just kind of sit and just think about it and kind of respond if I have the time to do that. But I try to do that in the afternoon, and then in the morning sometimes when I’m drinking my coffee too, just to get back on track. Or if I’m having a rough day, I’ll log in and I’ll reread the share the win sometimes, and just see like, oh, okay, they had some really good wins. Oh, I could probably do something similar to that in my aspect.

Because sometimes I feel like it’s hard for me to think of what my wins were that week if it’s not huge. You know what I mean? And so I have to really sit down and reflect, okay, what was a good win? And I like to do that in the afternoons with my coffee and just review Slack and kind of see what’s going on.

Micheala Barsotti:

And how important that is to stop and reflect on those little ones, because the reality is, we’re not always going to have big, giant wins week to week, right?

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah.

Micheala Barsotti:

So talk about staying the course or keeping yourself internally motivated, it’s like you have to search for those little wins and not discredit them, because it’s all the little ones that compile to make the big ones over time.

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah, definitely. And I feel like, like you said, a lot of wins are non-scale, just even non-nutritious sometimes, I feel like, or non fitness. A win for me a couple days ago was I was able to go and get my hair done. I scheduled it and I did it, and I got out of the house. It’s just little things like that sometimes.

Paul Salter:

Yeah. And I mean that’s what we’re all after. I like to joke, we get you interested and we peak your curiosity about the 5% community because Micheala and I are experts at helping people achieve sustainable weight loss, but it’s not because we have this magical set of nutrition, macro nutrients or anything like that. We make you do the deep work and peel back the proverbial layer of that onion and really focus on some of the emotional wins and areas for growth, the mindset, the behavior. And you’re right, a lot of our wins have very little of anything to do with the nutrition or the workouts. Those ones are nice, of course, and there’s plenty of them. But just hearing you even be able to shift your frame of mind, like, oh, there are wins in this bucket of life, this bucket of life, where before, it was so scale, scale scale, I mean, it’s just so cool to see that transformation you’ve experienced.

Caelli Koehler:

Well, it’s take it a long time for sure, and the community and the curriculum specifically has definitely pushed me out of my comfort zone. It definitely something that I would’ve never thought of to kind of like dig deep and think about, why I’m doing what I’m doing or those non-scale victories and stuff like that, and just being so goal driven and competitive. It was always the number on the scale, the measurements, the size of the clothes. Those, to me, were winning. And now, it is during a diet phase, but if I’m not, it’s like, eh, we’ll just keep it even keel, then we’ll focus on other things.

Paul Salter:

Yeah. And you bring up a great point too. Like you said, it took you a while to get here. Yes, but then I always like to kind of reframe that when people share similar sentiments with me. It’s like, how long has it taken you to learn all of the behaviors that got you into a place where you were unhappy in the first place? For many people, we get our first exposure to the diet industry as little as seven years old, eight years old. And we fast forward 20, 30 years, and it’s like, “Oh shit, it took me decades to learn all these bad thoughts, beliefs, and habits. I can’t just unlearn them and replace them in a couple of weeks, even a couple of months.” It does take time, hence literally why ours is a 12 month transformational experience. We’re not some 90 day little detox, diet plan bullshit, or anything like that.

The deep lasting results takes the deep diligent patient work. So I’m happy to hear, really, you’ve just remained so committed to that best version of you for years since I’ve known you, and it’s just absolutely paying off in so many ways.

Caelli Koehler:

Well, thanks. Yeah. I’m still trying, still trying every day.

Paul Salter:

That’s all you can do.

Caelli Koehler:

Yeah.

Micheala Barsotti:

But it’s also a good reminder that it is a constant. There is no destination where you can just let off the gas altogether. It’s like we always, every single day have to continue to be trying. And when we get complacent is usually when we crash and burn. We can’t ever get complacent. It is that constant effort every single day. And I would love to hear, who would you recommend the 5% community to?

Caelli Koehler:

Gosh, anybody, everybody. I think this community should be something that everybody does, regardless of what your goals are. Because like Paul just said, we are ingrained at such a young age about all these different shortcuts on how to live your life and unhealthy habits that… That’s just unrealistic. You’re not going to live a good, long, healthy life. So I think this program could be beneficial to anybody. I mean, if you want a weight loss goal, then this is absolutely the program. If you want to just maintain your weight, then this is absolutely the program, because it definitely dives in and it helps you really kind of find the root of where you have been struggling your whole life and what hasn’t been working, and what you need to do on the inside to move forward to get it to work.

Paul Salter:

Well, that was really kind. Thank you for that. I mean, damn, there’s our new marketing message, Micheala.

Micheala Barsotti:

Right.

Caelli Koehler:

Oh my gosh. Well, no, I just… I guess just since becoming a mom, and then now that my son’s in grade school and what they’re teaching him and what I want to teach my own kids, you need to have a good relationship with yourself in order to have a good relationship with everything else. Because if you don’t like yourself and if you don’t feel good about yourself, then everything else is kind of just going to go into the [inaudible 00:28:26]. And I feel like this program, it helps you set the goals, whatever goal you want it to be, and it helps you move towards it, but you’re doing it in a healthy way, you’re doing it in a sustainable way, and you’re doing it in a way that you can live your life and not feel like you’re going to crash and burn all the time.

Paul Salter:

I wish you had a microphone so you could drop it.

Micheala Barsotti:

Yeah. Mic [inaudible 00:28:51]. Very well said.

Paul Salter:

That was awesome. [inaudible 00:28:55], Caelli. And then for those particularly listening to this episode right now, someone who resonates with your story, really just relates to those struggles you shared, what is one piece of advice or encouragement that you would offer her?

Caelli Koehler:

I would say to her to stay consistent and just keep moving forward, stay on the plan. Even if you have a set back, it’s okay. Don’t freak out. Don’t start over on Monday or start over at the first of the month, just start over at the next minute, just one foot in front of the other and just keep going forward. I can remember back when I was starting, that I had a mess up. I ate completely off plan. And I was always the girl that was like, “Nope, I’m starting on Monday because that’s the start of the week,” or “Nope, I’m starting next month because I’ve messed up.” And I can remember being on the couch, literally on the couch eating my ice cream, and just like, “Oh crap.”

And I just said to myself, it’s okay, I’m just going to start over. I’m just going to start over my next meal. I’m going to get right back on it. And I did. And I just keep going. Just keep going, girl. You can do it, just get right back on it. Because I feel like one of the things that I’m working on that we’ve talked about a lot is having that perfect mindset, and nothing’s perfect, so have a consistent mindset, just be consistent. So that’s just what I would say to her, just be consistent and keep moving forward. Don’t throw in the towel.

Micheala Barsotti:

That’s awesome.

Paul Salter:

Outstanding. Micheala, any other questions you want to ask?

Micheala Barsotti:

I think that’s it. Your story is inspiring. You continue to inspire us just by how much you do keep moving forward and putting one foot in front of the other, so we’re happy to have you in the community.

Caelli Koehler:

I’m glad to be here. And it’s a lot of work and I’m proud of it, but I feel like there’s still… I can keep going. What else is there to do? Especially now that I’m staying home from having a career for the last 13 years. I’m now working on what are my new life goals? What do I want to accomplish now? And I’m using some of what I’ve learned from the 5% into that aspect, but also into my fitness goals as well.

Paul Salter:

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Caelli. We really appreciate it.

Caelli Koehler:

Well, thank you for having me.

Paul Salter:

Absolutely. And for everybody out there listening, thank you so much for tuning into this episode. I know damn well that you found many aspects of Caelli’s story relatable and absolutely inspiring. So if you think somebody who would also find this story incredibly inspiring and valuable, please go ahead and share this episode with her. And if you have not done so already, take 30 seconds, yep, literally 30 seconds to leave a genuine, honest rating and review on Apple podcast, Spotify, SoundCloud, wherever it is you listen to your podcast. And thank you so much for listening to us today. We hope you have a wonderful rest of your day, and we will catch you in the next episode.